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by Patrick O’Shaughnessy

Jane McGonigal, PhD is a world-renowned designer of
alternate reality games — or, games that are designed to improve real lives and
solve real problems.

She is the Author of Reality is Broken: Why Games Make Us
and How They Can Change the World and is the inventor and
co-founder of SuperBetter, a game that has helped nearly a million
players tackle real-life health challenges such as depression, anxiety, chronic
pain, and traumatic brain injury.

Our conversation is about how to design useful games, how
games effect us and our kids, and what the future might hold. Please enjoy.

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Show Notes

1:22 – (First Question) – Her take on the history of gaming
and studying the players themselves

3:44 – Where her passion for gaming really started

4:55 – Her take on flow states

7:47 – Kids and gaming

10:32 – Advice for parents when it comes to the role of

            11:06 – SuperBetter:
A Revolutionary Approach to Getting Stronger, Happier, Braver and More
Resilient–Powered by the Science of Games

13:53 – Types of games that develop the right skills for

16:20 – Four things all games share in common

            16:23 – Reality
Is Broken: Why Games Make Us Better and How They Can Change the World

20:50 – Her take on Carse’s theory about infinite gaming

            21:04 – Finite
and Infinite Games

26:28 – How to understand gaming culture if you’ve never
played a game before

28:28 – Amazon and gaming

31:18 – How fun makes anything more enjoyable

34:55 – How game designers calibrate feedback loops

39:14 – The good and bad of gamifying life

45:01 – What is the superbetter

52:43 – Why powerups and bad guys are so important in games

57:03 – Secret identity

59:04 – Playing with boundaries

1:00:36 – Most worried about in the gaming world, and most
exited about

1:07:32 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Jane

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